An Army officer sums up what makes Marines different

By Col. Daniel F. Bolger, USA
(Excerpt from DEATH GROUND: TODAY’S AMERICAN INFANTRY IN BATTLE)

What makes Marine infantry special?

Asking the question that misses the most fundamental point about the United States Marine Corps. In the Marines, everyone–sergeant, mechanic, cannoneer, supply man, clerk, aviator, cook–is a rifleman first. The entire Corps, all 170,000 or so on the active rolls, plus the reserves, are all infantry. All speak the language of the rifle and bayonet, of muddy boots and long, hot marches. It’s never us and them, only us. That is the secret of the Corps.”

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“If Army infantry amounts to a stern monastic order standing apart, on the edge of the wider secular soldier world, Marine infantry more resembles the central totem worshipped by the entire tribe. Marines have specialized, as have all modern military organizations. And despite the all-too-real rigors of boot camp, annual rifle qualification, and high physical standards, a Marine aircraft crew chief or radio repairman wouldn’t make a good 0311 on a squad assault. But those Marine technical types know that they serve the humble grunt, the man who will look the enemy in the eye within close to belly-ripping range. Moreover, all Marines think of themselves as grunts at heart, just a bit out of practice at the moment. That connections creates a great strength throughout the Corps.”

We take our flag everywhere we go!
Marines in Hue, Vietnam

“It explains why Marine commanders routinely, even casually, combine widely disparate kinds of capabilities into small units….

Marines send junior officers and NCOs out from their line rifle companies and expect results. They get them, too.”

“Even a single Marine has on call the firepower of the air wing, the Navy, and all of the United States. Or at least he thinks he does. A Marine acts accordingly. He is expected to take charge, to improvise, to adapt, to overcome. A Marine gets by with ancient aircraft (the ratty C-46E Frog, for example), hand-me-down weapons (such as the old M-60 tanks used in the Gulf War), and whatever else he can bum off the Army or cajole out of the Navy. Marines get the job done regardless, because they are Marines. They make a virtue out of necessity. The men, not the gear, make the difference. Now and again, the Marines want to send men, not bullets.”

“This leads to a self-assurance that sometimes comes across as disregard for detailed staff-college quality planning and short shrift for high-level supervision. Senior Army officers in particular sometimes find the Marines amateurish, cavalier, and overly trusting in just wading in and letting the junior leaders sort it out. In the extreme, a few soldiers have looked at the Corps as some weird, inferior, ersatz ground war establishment, a bad knockoff of the real thing. ‘A small, bitched-up army talking Navy lingo,’ opined Army Brigadier General Frank Armstrong in one of the most brutal inter-service assessments. That was going too far. But deep down, many Army professionals tend to wonder about the Marines. Grab a defended beach? Definitely. Seize a hill? Sure, if you don’t mind paying a little. But take charge of a really big land operation? Not if we can help it.”

“Anyone who has watched an amphibious landing unfold would be careful with that kind of thinking. The Marines actually have a lot in common with their elite Army infantry brothers, if not with all the various Army headquarters and service echelons. True, Marine orders do tend to be, well…brief. But so do those of the airborne, the air assault, the light-fighters, and the Rangers, for the same good reason: Hard, realistic training teaches soldiers how to fight by doing, over and over, so they need not keep writing about it, regurgitating basics every time. More enlightened soldiers consider that goodness. A three-inch thick order, a big CP, and lots of meeting do not victory make. The Marines consciously reject all that.”

“A Corps infused with a rifleman ethos has few barriers to intra-service cooperation. The Army talks a great deal about combined arms and does it down to about battalion level, often with great wailing and gnashing of the teeth. Marines do it all the way down to the individual Marine. Soldiers have defined military occupational specialties and guard their prerogatives like a union shop stewards. Finance clerks don’t do machine guns. Mechanics skip foot marches to fix trucks. Intell analysts work in air-conditioned trailers; they don’t patrol.

Marines, though, are just Marines. They all consider themselves trigger pullers. They even like it, as might be expected of an elite body.



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The Falconer
2014/10/27 10:04

Tigerman Saying that there would have been no US without the corps is an exaggeration, don’t you think?

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The Falconer
2014/10/27 09:39

jowicknos  I couldn’t find your post to me on the site though it was sent to my email. Scurrilous invective serves to denigate only the utterer of such..

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The Falconer
2014/10/27 09:26

jowicknos The reason that the Marines send their men to Ranger school is that even the Marines admit that they don´t know everything. 🙂

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The Falconer
2014/10/27 09:23

jowicknos Actually, the Army divisions that fought in the Pacific taking islands were trained like Marines and designated “assault divisions”. There were more of them than there were Marine divisions. The reason that most people don’t know this is that the Marines have better press coverage. When a journalist shows up at a Marine base to do a story the Marines make sure he has the best quarters possible, a well stocked and boozed fridge etc. When he goes to an Army unit he gets whatever is available. So you can guess why there are more journalists covering the Marines than the Army.

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jowicknos
2014/10/26 22:21

Tigerman  YES I MAKE A LOT OF SPELLING AND GRAMMER ERROS BECAUSE I AM PISSED OFF WHEN WRITING THIS STUFF

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jowicknos
2014/10/26 22:18

Tigerman  THANK U FOR YOUR SERVICE TO YOUR COUNTRY. WHY IS THAT SO DIFFICULT TO SAY INSTEAD OF MARINES AND THIER RELATIVES SAYING TO ME THE ARMY IT A JOKE AND WE MARINES LAUGH AT IT

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jowicknos
2014/10/26 22:08

Tigerman jowicknos Stickman85  30% OF MARINES I TALK TO INSULT ME

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jowicknos
2014/10/26 22:03

YES I KNOW THAT THE ALUTIAN ISLANDS ARE NOT IN THE SOUTH PACFIC

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jowicknos
2014/10/26 22:01

IT DID NOT PRINT IT IN ORDER I MESSED UP NOT SURE HOW TO SPELL THAT S. PACFIC ISLAND ‘S NAME ,BUT THE MARINES LANDED ON ONE SIDE OF THE ISLAND AND THE ARMY LANDED ON THE OTHER SIDE, OF COURSE AFTER THE NAVY POUNDED IT WTH ITS HEAVY GUNS

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jowicknos
2014/10/26 21:50

I LIKE THE MARINE CORPS ITS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE DEFENSE OF THE USA ,BUT 30% OF THE TIME I TALK TO A MARINE THEY INSULT ME ,WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND ,AND THE NEXT TIME A MARIEN INSULTS ME AND MY SERVICE IN THE US ARMY ,HE GETS THE FIRST PUNCH AND THEN I ANIALATE HIM.
U UNDERSTAND I HAVE TO DEFEND MY HONOR AND THE HONOR OF THE US ARMY.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR U WHY DO THE MARINES SEND MARINES TO US ARMY RANGER SCHOOL?

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jowicknos
2014/10/26 21:45

The marine corps was not used as combat troops in the Indian wars was not used as combat troopers in the revolutionary war was not involved in the defense of the state of Alaska when the japs invaded the Aleutian islands 
A lot of people don’t know that the US ARMY HELPED THE MARINES INVADE
ISLANDS IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC WHEN US FORCES WHERE ISLAND HOPPING TAKING OUT THE JAPS WHO OCCUPIED THOSES ISLANDS . IF U DONT BELIVE ME LOOK UP THE BATTLE FORA Canadian and American force of 100,000 troops was deployed to push the Japanese from America’s northwestern-most territory. In May 1943, after nearly two weeks of bloodshed under frostbitten climatic conditions, across some of the globe’s most forbidding terrain, the 2,000 Attu-based Japanese were uprooted by the American Seventh Infantry Division. THE ISLAND OF LEMAY

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Tigerman
2014/10/26 15:40

jowicknos Stickman85 Man @jowicknos, WTF is your problem? All you do is insult us on here. Did you get turned down by the Corps because you have limp wrists and soft lips? GTFO of here and take your putrid hatred with you. If it were up to me, I’d block you from ever posting on the internet from this day forward. Some day you’ll grow up and realize that there’s more to this world than the dark corners of your uncle’s basement dungeon.

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Tigerman
2014/10/26 15:36

jowicknos jowicknos  Try learning a little history numbnuts. The Corps came about 10 November 1775. We have participated in every war that the United States, from colonial times to present, has been in. That includes both sides of the Civil War.The only difference is that the Corps was disbanded between the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 and reinstated for 1812. Disbanded after 1812 and reinstated shortly thereafter. The Marine Corps is not more important than the US, but it is a FACT that there would be no US without the Corps.

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jowicknos
2014/10/26 05:16

@DJ Black Adam  The Army was fighting wars long before the marines came about
The Army fought the most important wars the revolutionary
the civil the Spanish American war 
you stupid marines never even read about the war of 1812 or know what its about ,U don’t even know all the marine corps inflated history your stupid you dumb and you don’t care about any thing except the corps U care about the marine corps more than the USA it self

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jowicknos
2014/10/26 05:09

dragoneye12002  Why don’t u stop living

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jowicknos
2014/10/26 04:52

@Dawn  u look like an ugly nerd wash your face off please
do u have sex with your cats dogs and human relatives ? u do don’t u

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jowicknos
2014/10/26 04:51

@Dawn  are you going to be joining them in hell
do u also worship the devil

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jowicknos
2014/10/26 04:41

@Michael Pressley  F U

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DavidWade1
2014/08/20 09:01

ChrisHolley DavidWade1  always will never turn my back on a marine or another vet ever.

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DocZee
2014/08/19 23:57

@DavidWade1 Truth… Semper Gumby! 2/2 Fox 88/90 +/- Chair Force Lol…

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The Falconer
2014/08/18 13:31

The Falconer  I’am glad that you liked it Cpl.

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The Falconer
2014/08/17 04:39

A couple of things bear mentioning here. 1) The
fact that beneath the chevrons on their uniforms the Marines display crossed
rifles (the symbol of the infantry) just about says it all. 2) The fact that
the bulk of the administrative work of the Corps is done by the Navy allows the
Corps to dedicate more of its personnel and personnel’s time to war fighting.
The Army has no such luxury. 3) I was told in Vietnam that Marine officers had
to spend the first six months of their tours commanding an infantry unit before
they were reassigned to whatever other specialty they had. If this is true this
reinforces both élan and Corps cohesion. To get that sort of esprit de corps in the Army you would
have to visit an actual fighting unit especially something like the Airborne,
Rangers or Special Forces. The personnel not in a fighting unit are really
doing civilian jobs but wearing uniforms, i.e. they are soldiers but not
warriors.

My first tour in Vietnam I was assigned as an
advisor to South Vietnam’s only cavalry unit (though I was Special Forces).
Advisory teams were supposed to consist of four men but we never had enough
personnel so men would be assigned to us for 30 days TDY from other regular US units,
even then we still rarely had a full team, it was generally just two, sometimes
three but rarely four.

These TDY personnel were assigned by regimental
headquarters informing us by radio what ranks they were and from what units
(encoded of course) and whoever’s turn it was would get first pick etc.,
something like choosing up for a baseball team. 

No one wanted any of the few
Marines who came our way because advising was a diplomatic job and the Marine
Corps is not exactly the Diplomatic Corps so they were always the last chosen.

 One day it fell to me that I got my first Marine. When this gunny got off of
the chopper I was amazed that his knuckles weren’t dragging along the ground
and he bore no other simian characteristics. So I thought, “That is why he has
been sent to us TDY, he doesn’t reflect the true image of the Marines so they
want to get rid of him.” (Normally the TDY personnel were second rate because
no commander will send his best people TDY, he needs them for himself.) I was
quite impressed with him as the day wore on. He not only had two years of
college; could speak in full sentences without every second word being an
explicative and he also had a working knowledge of Vietnamese! 
A few days later I told him about the advisors’
reticence about using Marines who weren’t trained as advisors. He then told me
that when there was an assignment outside of the Corps the Corps sent its best
personnel in order to protect its image! Marine commanders knew to send only
their best personnel forward because their choices would be vetted before being
sent onward outside the Corps. 

Two weeks later we received another draft of TDY
personnel among whom there was another Marine. It being my turn to pick first
I took the Marine. He too was impressive. So my team consisted of me and two
Marine NCOs. A week later I sent a message to the regimental senior advisor, LTC.
Meggason, to the effect that I would take any Marines that came our way since I
got along with them without elaborating further. He wasn’t exactly naïve and
knew that I wasn’t either so on his next routine visit to the field he took me
aside and asked me about my preference for Marine TDY personnel. I told him.
His eyebrows went up. He nodded silently took a long pull on his cigar and only
said, “Thank you”. He interviewed the two Marines, got back on the helicopter
and left. I noticed that we had a sudden upsurge in the number of Marines who
were sent TDY to our regiment. 

The Corps has come a long way from from its WWII image of jarheads storming enemy held beaches at horrific losses. 

To tell the truth I too had initially tried to join the Marines
but failed both the background and mental examinations; they found out that I
was both literate and legitimate. JUST KIDDING, JUST KIDDING! I always knew
that Special Forces was my destiny, being that I was tall, handsome, erudite,
intelligent, charismatic, multi-lingual and overwhelmingly modest. ;-)!

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watsondonta
2014/08/13 07:58

Well said I feel the same way

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ChrisHolley
2014/08/13 06:29

raytheon91 your no step child, your the eyes and ears of arty….(I was one back in 1980 (served as a 0846 before it was changed to 0861 with BLT2/4) until I retrained and changed  MOS to 0844/0848 back in 1983). That’s when the Corps restructured with the M198s. I started out as an 0811 on the M101A1 and later M110.  Party with arty…

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ChrisHolley
2014/08/13 06:21

DavidWade1  thanks Doc……

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RubenCastillo
2014/08/12 23:34

Stickman85 When did they start a FB page?!  I was in 2d LAAM Bn from 1986-1989 and loved every minute of it!

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Stickman85
2014/08/12 22:58

@cleffer @Tigerman Stickman here, are you on the 2nd LAAM Bn group on FaceBook?

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USMC0369
2014/08/12 21:05

I am a retired Marine 0369, I know this article to be true as one year I was tasked to lead the aggressor squad for a Super Squad competition on Okinawa Japan. I was given a bunch of non infantry MOS Marines from all over the base to do the job. With very little refreshing of infantry skills, the Marines provided to me for that evolution were an awesome team that even the infantry squads participating in the comp were impressed with. It is true …every Marine is a rifleman.

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Cpl. Beddoe
2014/08/12 21:01

chimusicguy Great story! Love our Corps!

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chimusicguy
2014/08/12 20:35

5548 here, USMC Bandsman. I remember clearly on deployments that visiting brass from other services would scoff when they found out that the band was the main brunt of the camp’s security force. They would laugh and make the usual jokes. “Oh, what are they going to do, throw drumsticks at the enemy?” Our beloved General Bedard would then point out, calmly and matter-of-factly, that aside the MPs, his band was the only group in the entire camp carrying live ammunition. This ceased further comments.

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raytheon91
2014/08/12 19:52

Show love for the step-child MOS 0861

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littleladyusmc
2014/08/12 15:24

As a Female Marine my pride in the Corps will always be the same. We are called arrogant and we are for good reasons.  I’m medically retired now, but would go back to active duty in a heartbeat, the body gave out not my heart. Semper Fi!

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ChrisHolley
2014/08/12 13:53

Marine Arty, we’re just a grunt with a big gun, Semper Fidelis….

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watsondonta
2014/08/12 11:04

As a former active duty Marine I relate to this piece. We all had different jobs but we all would ask each other questions. One of the main questions was would you be able to kill. The answer was always yes. It didn’t come out as easy for some as it did others but we all said yes. I at one point volunteered to deploy to Iraq. I was later taken off the list due to my MOS. To this day I still would go. One thing my drill instructor said that made since to me was “you have to be already a little crazy to join the Corps.”. It was true most of my friends had come from broken homes. We all had our pass but we all agreed the Marine Corps was our future. Not all of us stayed in the corps many different reason made us separate ourselves from what we loved. In my case a medical discharge in others PTSD. An issue I know well. We carry the burden of life on our shoulders even through the hard times. To protect the life we know we are willing to shoot first and ask questions later. Some may not even ask the questions. Its said once a Marine always a Marine I understand why now. Even though I don’t put on that uniform any more I still think the same. I have found myself walking towards gun fire. Also running toward accidents where someone could have been injured. So in closing I love my siblings and Semper Fi.

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DavidWade1
2014/08/12 09:43

fmf corpsmen I have worked with both soldiers and marine infantry in my short career my brother as well was a soldier. I have immense respect for all branches (except the chair force) just kidding. I will say this being the one they call Doc was a title I hold with pride since it came from the great men of 2/2 weapons company 2011-2014 I miss my marines everyday even though my company is basically all gone out of the corps now. To all veterans we know the price we paid to keep our families safe it is a burden we bear and one we must suffer but know we are not alone for all veterans of this great nation have other veterans to turn to for help for no one will understand or care for a vet like another vet

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cleffer
2014/08/12 07:03

Tigerman DUDE!  Smith here from Yuma! Contact me at cleffer at yahoo dot com!!

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Tigerman
2014/08/11 18:18

I was a HAWK systems operator at MCAS Yuma 1988-1992. Tried to go back in 3 months before my 36th birthday back in ’05. Recruiter wouldn’t even talk to me. Joined the Army National Guard instead. Still in, but would give any1to get back into the Corps (no matter what the MOS is).

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dragoneye12002
2014/08/11 13:58

@Dawn Our bullets wouldn’t fly without supply. Tell your Son “Semper Fi, POG!”

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dragoneye12002
2014/08/11 13:56

@jose barelas STOP YELLING!!!

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Louis Rothenstein
2014/03/20 12:03

From an old retired Army CSM. Those of us Army NCOs who have worked with Marines a bit over the years have perhaps a different outlook than some of our officers. We worked with them a little closer to where the rubber meets the road. We had a Marine Corporal working independently with us from 1st ANGLICO. Outstanding support. He was always riding the back seat of an Army Bird Dog providing naval gunfire and air support when available. He trained a few Army and AF guys to do it as well. On an operation in Vietnam (Deckhouse V Jan 67). As an advisor with ARVN it was in my Province. I witnessed most of it from the U.S.S. Iwo Jima as I was just back from a hospital in Japan. It was an amazing thing to see how well things went even though the weather sucked. On my next tour, i witnessed the Cambodian Incursion. In between a VNMC Bn with USMC Advisors and an ARVN Ranger Bn. In my opinion, the two best combat units the Vietnamese fielded. The Marines did great things with that unit, particularly fire discipline. I also had three Marine SSGs working as PRU advisors in the AO. The other services had 7s or 8s attached to CORDS They did well. Later as a 1Sgt at an Army school I worked a joint project outlining what our 1Sgts were supposed to do (pretty similar) I learned that what the Army needed was a Company Gunny and field meritorious promotions. I had 25 or so Marine intel instructors attached to my company and they were among the top supporters of all our activities. One Captain retired as a Marine LTG. I recall that the Marine Finance office screwed up the pay and travel pay for every one of them that came in. Thank God for DFAS. When I was an instructor at the Army Sergeants Major Academy, I always asked to have at least one Marine with my group to provide that different outlook and sharing of experiences. As a CSM at a command and post, we had Marine I&I staff and some specialized elements living with us and they always did more than their share. As a retiree, I belong to many different organizations. Among them I am an Associate Life Member of the Marine Corps League. When I lived in the Bay Area, I was a member of the Marines Memorial Assn. The MCL locally supports a great program with the Devil Dogs and raises funds for charitable operations in the community. My association with Marines through the years has been very, very positive and I treasure the memories.
My Army is organized different. Those who served in good combat divisions and special operations units have their primary allegiance with those units during and after service. Our combat support and service support unit folks who served with those elements feel the same.
I think what makes a Marine perhaps a little different is that they always carry out their mission expertly and with little whimpering. Their training has that extra whatever it is that one sees in Ranger units. They take care of one another while accomplishing difficult tasks. They leave no one behind. I read one time years back that their is no other group of people in America more successful in the business world as former USMC officers. I believe that is partly due to the little bit more emphasis the Marines place on mission accomplishment, often in less than ideal conditions. I never saw a Marine NCO get into any trouble or caused any problems when they worked with the Army. Someone instilled in them that a Marine never embarrasses the Marine Corps. That is so important when someone in uniform works away from a unit and military installation and in the eyes of the public. That is a good thing and perhaps part of character building not seen everywhere as well executed as the Marines do in our military services.
If the author ranks the USMC as the worst branch to join, loyalty, character and integrity were apparently not in his criteria. The Marines instill these values in their officers and men. In the end game, nothing is more important than these.

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Michael Pressley
2014/02/28 11:37

Folks that have not been in the Corps have no business trying to explain it. And General Armstrong was my Dad's CO when he was stationed at Barksdale AFB in the fifties.

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2014/02/28 04:59

Great post, Cpl Beddoe. And excellent column, Colonel.

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Anonymous
2013/11/25 18:34

Same thing in the Army. No matter the job you are given, carrying your weapon on your person is a must at all times.

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D. Frank Dalton (OUTLAW)
2013/09/23 21:56

Once a Marine always a Marine! Being a Marine is not an occupation, it’s a way of life until you go to guard the streets of gold!!

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2013/05/08 05:27

Good morning marine!!!!!!
Myself ,75-78 barracks marine peace time
Can I get your webLog-page direct
Without going to twitter????
Semper fi
Meade

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Sgt. Mike
2012/07/20 11:52

Nothing commands more respect in a room full of veterans than the words “I’m a Marine”. Served for 7 years, MOS 0311. What makes us different? There is nothing a Marine and his rifle can’t do, enough said. I admire all veterans, I understand Marines.

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2012/04/04 15:02

MY NAME IS JOSE BARELAS, I GO TO SCHOOL AT FOSTER ELEMENTERY. IM DOING A PROJECT ABOUT WHAT MAKES THE MARINES DIFFERENT FROM THE ARMY AND WHY MARINES DO WHAT THEY DO. IF YOU CAN SEND ANY KIND OF INFORMATION I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. YOU CAN SEND IT TO THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISASMITH@DALLASISD.ORG OR LISA SMITH C/O FOSTER ELEMENTARY CLOVER LANE DALLAS TX 75220. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING BACK FROM YOU.
THANK YOU,JOSE

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2012/03/11 18:32

Coming from a Marine Mom this is oh so right if I’ve been listening to my Marine sons correctly. They requalify in many different areas and are always considered a rifleman. Even though my son is in supply in Afghanistan (no off base duties) he still has to bring his weapon with him where ever he goes.

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DJ Black Adam
2009/01/17 00:52

>Pretty fair assesment. The ARMY doesn’t want to admit it, but (as Jack said in “A Few Good Men”) “Deep down in places they don’t want to talk about at parties, they want us on the wall, they NEED us on that wall…”

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